I want to show the world you don't have in gel into the ring to be a man. What an interesting parallel, huh? 1906 Pittman & Dean Ice Company. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). October 19, 2011 "I used to like to say, 'There are a lot of guys with good bellies and bad arms.' bob saunders March 22, 2005 In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. May 7, 2013 The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. August 7, 2018 snook November 3, 2006 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. His unbroken records are 2,679 strikeouts, 39 shutouts, 459 games started, 329 home runs allowed, and 10,000 doughnuts made! Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Rusty could hit with the lights out. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. (thankfully returning in '81). support. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. April 6, 2012 In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. November 19, 2002 Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Bob P February 28, 2003 Mike B Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. October 19, 2011 He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. February 25, 2003 June 30, 2019 I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. August 7, 2018 Rusty could hit with the lights out. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. Baseball burnt him out. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. October 2, 2005 Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. GoMets2006 McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Bob P August 11, 2015 In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Donut Shops Beverages Restaurants. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Logan Swanson He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. Bobster1985 I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! October 19, 2011 Insightful. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Mr. Sparkle Al pete Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. Poignant. snook Stu Baron He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. LA-Mets Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Fact is Lolich was always overweight. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Jamey Bumbalo body would be a pretty slender person. Stu Baron Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. June 11, 2003 Mickey liked his doughnuts. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. August 7, 2018 He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. Baseball burnt him out. Jamey Bumbalo But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. September 25, 2013 Jamey Bumbalo April 23, 2003 I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. John Bruce You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Bartolo Colon etc). But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Man, he was a big one. December 20, 2019 But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. That's more realistic but generous, I think! Bartolo Colon etc). eddiek Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. July 15, 2016 Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. 6'1", 170???? But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. June 2, 2006 Mickey liked his doughnuts. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Jay All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. November 10, 2002 Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. (Original Caption) Lake Orion, Mich.: Mickey Lolich, hero of the 1968 World Series, that brought Detroit its last championship, is now a seccessful doughnut shop owner and baker. Jamey Bumbalo I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. That's more realistic but generous, I think! May 7, 2013 October 13, 2008 And complaining about how fat he was? November 28, 2001 376 innings. John Bruce I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Raymond Malcuit February 28, 2003 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. What an interesting parallel, huh? March 5, 2006 May 7, 2013 As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. GoMets2006 I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. She has starred in many series such as LOST, Drew Carey Show, Spin City, Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy, and most notably from the soap opera Guiding Light where she won an Emmy for Outstanding Lead Actress in 1998. senor ortiz May 9, 2002 He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. November 12, 2006 I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. September 25, 2013 Did you boo him or make fun out of him? In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. - Now for the trade itself. Feat Fan John Bruce Cut him some slack. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. He started 45 games and completed 29. November 3, 2006 Lolich was a fine pitcher. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. Bartolo Colon etc). Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? Bartolo Colon etc). Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. Siop Shop,53 Tib St, Manchester M4 1LS. September 29, 2007 I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! ", 2023 ABG-SI LLC. John Bruce He is best known for his performance in . He started 45 games and completed 29. September 12, 2002 NYB Buff Meet actress Cynthia Watros born in 1968 from Lake Orion. He was born on September 12, 1940 and his birthplace is Portland, OR. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. 6'1", 170???? NYB Buff Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Shickhaus Franks 170 lbs.? Rusty played another decade. October 2, 2005 October 18, 2008 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. eddiek Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? June 30, 2019 Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. Bartolo Colon etc). Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? feat fan Raymond Malcuit Jr. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. LA-Mets Cut him some slack. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. NYB Buff Joe Figliola NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. It's mildly surprising, then, to see Thomas laughing and talking and forking down the spicy vegetarian pasta on a sunny afternoon in L.A. A lot has changed for Thomas in the 20 years since he dazzled and mystified the NFL. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Baseball burnt him out. bob saunders He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach.". October 13, 2008 Staub a great fielder with a great arm? So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. June 11, 2003 There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. March 5, 2006 As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. He has been married to Joyce Fleenor since 21 November 1964. The point is he made a bad team worse. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Meet Lake Orion graduate & PGA golfer Tom Gillis. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. At Lolich's Donuts & Pastry shop, beside a wooded country highway, Mickey Lolich, the lefthander who beat the Cardinals three times in the 1968 World Series, wiped flour off his nose,. October 4, 2005 - Now for the trade itself. March 2, 2003 So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? April 20, 2002 Feat Fan He later came back to play for the Padres. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. 170 lbs.? He started 45 games and completed 29. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Really? June 30, 2019 And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. August 7, 2018 April 30, 2009 Common, 39-41 Edge St, Manchester M4 1HW. August 11, 2015 Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. No contest. Bartolo Colon etc). April 30, 2009 Gary from Chesapeake (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids). Mickey liked his doughnuts. Dianna Jeanneh Jones April 6, 2012 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Actually, he was eating his way out of baseball, a fact which revealed itself as the 1976 season progressed. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. May 8, 2003 Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! He started 45 games and completed 29. 170 lbs.? November 19, 2002 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. October 2, 2005 February 25, 2003 But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Mike B body would be a pretty slender person. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. mets Randy Tate Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. That's more realistic but generous, I think! His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Shari Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. September 29, 2007 Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. March 22, 2005 I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. eddiek For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Really? October 18, 2008 Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. February 25, 2003 But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. September 29, 2007 March 5, 2006 June 30, 2019 Mickey liked his doughnuts. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Jamey Bumbalo Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Joshua C. Predmore and family moved from New York to Orion in 1849 to establish a farming business. October 13, 2008 Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. July 15, 2016 An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. April 6, 2012 I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. January 12, 2011 Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Larry Burns After one year in New York Lolich retired. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? In 1819 first settlers moved here from NY State where Potowatami and Ojibwe already lived. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. November 3, 2006 God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Really? This has never happened before? 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. eddiek God bless him wherever he is and good luck! senor ortiz Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? 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